Comments on: Good, Bad and Ugly http://www.joethorn.net/2005/06/21/good-bad-and-ugly/ theology. church. culture. life. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Trey http://www.joethorn.net/2005/06/21/good-bad-and-ugly/#comment-375 Trey Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:32:28 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=112#comment-375 Guys- I agree with all of your comments!! On a less cynical and more humorous note, that bus was the greatest thing I have seen in a long time. I cracked up out loud. I know that wasn't the point of the tour but it is what is. Like Alex, the American flag that the SBC loves to drape everywhere strikes me in an odd way for people who do like to separate themselves from the "world". Guys-
I agree with all of your comments!! On a less cynical and more humorous note, that bus was the greatest thing I have seen in a long time. I cracked up out loud. I know that wasn’t the point of the tour but it is what is. Like Alex, the American flag that the SBC loves to drape everywhere strikes me in an odd way for people who do like to separate themselves from the “world”.

]]> By: Joe http://www.joethorn.net/2005/06/21/good-bad-and-ugly/#comment-374 Joe Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:33:40 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=112#comment-374 I've heard of that solgan. Look, I happen to like a theologically sound slogan. "sola scriptura," "sola gratia," "sola fide," "solus christus," "solid deo gloria." But the stuff we've put out is closer to the infamous, "As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs." Closer in it that the slpgan rests on bad theology. I know we have great men and women who could serve our convention well, and I know we have some currently serving. I am hopeful that in a few years we'll begin to see some very cool changes. I’ve heard of that solgan. Look, I happen to like a theologically sound slogan. “sola scriptura,” “sola gratia,” “sola fide,” “solus christus,” “solid deo gloria.” But the stuff we’ve put out is closer to the infamous, “As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs.” Closer in it that the slpgan rests on bad theology.

I know we have great men and women who could serve our convention well, and I know we have some currently serving. I am hopeful that in a few years we’ll begin to see some very cool changes.

]]> By: Andrew Thornley http://www.joethorn.net/2005/06/21/good-bad-and-ugly/#comment-373 Andrew Thornley Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:42:32 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=112#comment-373 I thought we had learned our lesson on "sloganeering." Vance Havner, referencing the SBC evangelistic slogan for 1954 ("A million more in '54") wryly remarked, "A million more like the bunch we've got and we're doomed!" My soul, could we please get some leadership? I thought we had learned our lesson on “sloganeering.” Vance Havner, referencing the SBC evangelistic slogan for 1954 (“A million more in ’54″) wryly remarked, “A million more like the bunch we’ve got and we’re doomed!”

My soul, could we please get some leadership?

]]> By: Rick Marshall http://www.joethorn.net/2005/06/21/good-bad-and-ugly/#comment-372 Rick Marshall Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:11:23 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=112#comment-372 Man, that bus looks horrible! Almost as bad as the million baptisms crusade. Man, that bus looks horrible! Almost as bad as the million baptisms crusade.

]]> By: D.R.Randle http://www.joethorn.net/2005/06/21/good-bad-and-ugly/#comment-371 D.R.Randle Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:26:07 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=112#comment-371 Joe, Great stuff. I think you are right on with the bus and preaching comments. But I might switch those categories because that bus is one ugly vehicle. I think that you are correct in saying that the declining baptism rates might be a good thing. I love how some of those guys criticize the founders folks for having low baptism rates (of course many of those churches don't report them because of principle), but never point to the fact that they (founders' churches) tend to retain their membership in stunningly contrasting rates to the typical SBC church. True kingdom impact can't be measured in how many people we dunk -- it's changed lives. Something we haven't found a quantitative measure for (and unfortunatly for some, won't). BTW, glad to hear from so many that the ERLC's presentation was excellent. Understanding and ministering to homosexuals is definately an area SBC'ers need work on (myself included). Expect an email from me in the next couple of days. It was great to meet and talk to you at the YLS Sunday. Sounds like y'all had a good time. Joe,

Great stuff. I think you are right on with the bus and preaching comments. But I might switch those categories because that bus is one ugly vehicle. I think that you are correct in saying that the declining baptism rates might be a good thing. I love how some of those guys criticize the founders folks for having low baptism rates (of course many of those churches don’t report them because of principle), but never point to the fact that they (founders’ churches) tend to retain their membership in stunningly contrasting rates to the typical SBC church. True kingdom impact can’t be measured in how many people we dunk — it’s changed lives. Something we haven’t found a quantitative measure for (and unfortunatly for some, won’t).

BTW, glad to hear from so many that the ERLC’s presentation was excellent. Understanding and ministering to homosexuals is definately an area SBC’ers need work on (myself included). Expect an email from me in the next couple of days. It was great to meet and talk to you at the YLS Sunday. Sounds like y’all had a good time.

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