Comments on: Hyper Calvinism Criticism http://www.joethorn.net/2005/07/27/hyper-calvinism-criticism/ theology. church. culture. life. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jimmy Stanfield http://www.joethorn.net/2005/07/27/hyper-calvinism-criticism/#comment-575 Jimmy Stanfield Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:48:48 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=143#comment-575 I thought it was ironic that Dr.Lemke condemns the seeker sensitive church growth gurus for a lack of concern with doctrine and just being concerned about pragmatic results such as mere numbers and then turns around and condemns the founders churches for not having the big numbers. I thought it was ironic that Dr.Lemke condemns the seeker sensitive church growth gurus for a lack of concern with doctrine and just being concerned about pragmatic results such as mere numbers and then turns around and condemns the founders churches for not having the big numbers.

]]> By: Joe Thorn http://www.joethorn.net/2005/07/27/hyper-calvinism-criticism/#comment-574 Joe Thorn Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:03:29 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=143#comment-574 Yeah we called it the "cage stage," which is where many of us needed to be locked up. We thought a couple years would be sufficient. Yeah we called it the “cage stage,” which is where many of us needed to be locked up. We thought a couple years would be sufficient.

]]> By: Jeff T http://www.joethorn.net/2005/07/27/hyper-calvinism-criticism/#comment-573 Jeff T Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:00:07 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=143#comment-573 I had a friend tell me that when one comes to accept the Doctrines of Grace they ought to locked up for seven years so they don't make a fool of themselves. I had a friend tell me that when one comes to accept the Doctrines of Grace they ought to locked up for seven years so they don’t make a fool of themselves.

]]> By: Joe Thorn http://www.joethorn.net/2005/07/27/hyper-calvinism-criticism/#comment-572 Joe Thorn Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:20:34 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=143#comment-572 Yeah Joe. I ran into novice Calvinists who were filled with pride and unbearable. In fact, I was one of them for a few years. Yeah Joe. I ran into novice Calvinists who were filled with pride and unbearable. In fact, I was one of them for a few years.

]]> By: joe kennedy http://www.joethorn.net/2005/07/27/hyper-calvinism-criticism/#comment-571 joe kennedy Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:15:53 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=143#comment-571 Absolutely Joe, I know that you and Steve both are not so stuck on it that it's all you discuss. My frustration stems mostly from the fact that this debate is everywhere I turn. In some cases, those pretending to be knowledgeable- acting like little theologians- spout senseless jabber about Arminius and Calvin as if they were standing next to the men as they wrote their theologies. And this summer, I have not escaped it. From one turn to another, there it is, staring me in the face. And I have grown tired of it. I do think the issue is overly discussed. For too many people this is too big of an issue, and one on which many dwell and obsess. That, by all means, is wrong. If one needs something on which to obsess, I can think of no greater goal than to love others and love God. This is such a polarizing topic, and so few know how to address it with humility- some Calvinists approach it with an arrogance that they are elect and chosen by God. My experience tells me there are normal folks, like you and some guys from undergrad, who are Calvinists, but also strongly "evangelistic." Likewise, experience has shown both arrogant and pushy Calvinists as well as ignorant and hostile Arminians. And now I have to go see what you said about me on Steve's blog. But know that if I say something wrong, I want to be corrected. But when it comes to Calvinism and Arminianism, I just really don't care. I happily ride the fence of the antinomy/paradox view into the horizon. Very happily. Nothing I've said was meant to be personal. My experience has just been that all the hard-core crazy folks run out and go nuts when someone utters the name John Calvin (Calvinist or Arminian). By the way, check out my latest post on my blog- I want to see if you have any ideas toward that goal. Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement... whatever. Peace man. Absolutely Joe, I know that you and Steve both are not so stuck on it that it’s all you discuss. My frustration stems mostly from the fact that this debate is everywhere I turn. In some cases, those pretending to be knowledgeable- acting like little theologians- spout senseless jabber about Arminius and Calvin as if they were standing next to the men as they wrote their theologies. And this summer, I have not escaped it. From one turn to another, there it is, staring me in the face. And I have grown tired of it.

I do think the issue is overly discussed. For too many people this is too big of an issue, and one on which many dwell and obsess. That, by all means, is wrong. If one needs something on which to obsess, I can think of no greater goal than to love others and love God. This is such a polarizing topic, and so few know how to address it with humility- some Calvinists approach it with an arrogance that they are elect and chosen by God. My experience tells me there are normal folks, like you and some guys from undergrad, who are Calvinists, but also strongly “evangelistic.” Likewise, experience has shown both arrogant and pushy Calvinists as well as ignorant and hostile Arminians.

And now I have to go see what you said about me on Steve’s blog. But know that if I say something wrong, I want to be corrected. But when it comes to Calvinism and Arminianism, I just really don’t care. I happily ride the fence of the antinomy/paradox view into the horizon. Very happily. Nothing I’ve said was meant to be personal. My experience has just been that all the hard-core crazy folks run out and go nuts when someone utters the name John Calvin (Calvinist or Arminian).

By the way, check out my latest post on my blog- I want to see if you have any ideas toward that goal. Any thoughts, warnings, encouragement… whatever.

Peace man.

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