Comments on: The Diagram http://www.joethorn.net/2005/08/22/the-diagram/ theology. church. culture. life. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joe Thorn http://www.joethorn.net/2005/08/22/the-diagram/#comment-688 Joe Thorn Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:22:36 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=162#comment-688 Thanks for visiting guys. Greg, regeneration does preceed faith (even chronilogically, not just in terms of "theological priority"), though it seems that most often regeneration and faith are experienced very near one another. In general I believe that faith and repentance are the immediate repsponses to regeneration - and so I put the arrows in the same place to show the seeker that on the one hand God is regenerating, and in response to that we believe. I think potential problems arise when counseling the seeker and leading him to anticipate a time between regeneration and conversion. The diagram is not that helpful without explanation. So for me, the arrows are where they are for a reason, of course others may want to move things around. That's the beauty of doodling on napkins. Joel, it's been a while. You going to the Pastor's fellowship Sept. 1st? I guess this whole series is about what we are doing (not only our church, but other young leaders in the Convention) to approach evangelism in a better way, and obviously some of this stuff is exactly what we should use in the practice of evangelism. Thanks for visiting guys.

Greg, regeneration does preceed faith (even chronilogically, not just in terms of “theological priority”), though it seems that most often regeneration and faith are experienced very near one another. In general I believe that faith and repentance are the immediate repsponses to regeneration – and so I put the arrows in the same place to show the seeker that on the one hand God is regenerating, and in response to that we believe. I think potential problems arise when counseling the seeker and leading him to anticipate a time between regeneration and conversion. The diagram is not that helpful without explanation. So for me, the arrows are where they are for a reason, of course others may want to move things around. That’s the beauty of doodling on napkins.

Joel, it’s been a while. You going to the Pastor’s fellowship Sept. 1st? I guess this whole series is about what we are doing (not only our church, but other young leaders in the Convention) to approach evangelism in a better way, and obviously some of this stuff is exactly what we should use in the practice of evangelism.

]]> By: Greg http://www.joethorn.net/2005/08/22/the-diagram/#comment-687 Greg Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:48:02 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=162#comment-687 Joe, I like your diagram. I do have one observation. I know that some feel that regeneration and conversion are instantaneous and that there may be no perceivable time between the new birth and faith/repentance. But wouldn't the drawing be slightly more accurate if the "new birth" arrow preceded the "faith/repentance" arrow? I enjoy reading your blog. Joe,
I like your diagram. I do have one observation. I know that some feel that regeneration and conversion are instantaneous and that there may be no perceivable time between the new birth and faith/repentance. But wouldn’t the drawing be slightly more accurate if the “new birth” arrow preceded the “faith/repentance” arrow?

I enjoy reading your blog.

]]> By: Robert Campbell http://www.joethorn.net/2005/08/22/the-diagram/#comment-686 Robert Campbell Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:09:30 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=162#comment-686 Thanks for the clear thoughts. Thanks for including both dialog and truth. Found you through Pete Williamson. Looking forward to reading on... Thanks for the clear thoughts. Thanks for including both dialog and truth. Found you through Pete Williamson. Looking forward to reading on…

]]> By: adam http://www.joethorn.net/2005/08/22/the-diagram/#comment-685 adam Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:36:55 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=162#comment-685 makes sense, joe. thanks. makes sense, joe. thanks.

]]> By: David Wright http://www.joethorn.net/2005/08/22/the-diagram/#comment-684 David Wright Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:34:55 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=162#comment-684 Thorny, did you tear it up first? Always a good precaution. You never know who might be going through the trash. Thorny, did you tear it up first? Always a good precaution. You never know who might be going through the trash.

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