Comments on: Debating Calvinism http://www.joethorn.net/2005/11/02/value-of-theology/ theology. church. culture. life. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jim millirons http://www.joethorn.net/2005/11/02/value-of-theology/#comment-1230 jim millirons Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:30:18 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=239#comment-1230 I stand corrected! Perhaps, waste of time, was a little to harsh, since we do need to continue to communicate what we believe, however, our discussions in the huddle might not be the best use of our time when we have so much to do outside the huddle. Obviously, we must find a balance, but we are so behind in our contextualization of the gospel we have discussed over the past twenty five years! Its time to answer the why question by sharing our message in new missional forms and formats without arguing about it! I stand corrected! Perhaps, waste of time, was a little to harsh, since we do need to continue to communicate what we believe, however, our discussions in the huddle might not be the best use of our time when we have so much to do outside the huddle. Obviously, we must find a balance, but we are so behind in our contextualization of the gospel we have discussed over the past twenty five years! Its time to answer the why question by sharing our message in new missional forms and formats without arguing about it!

]]> By: Brian Davis http://www.joethorn.net/2005/11/02/value-of-theology/#comment-1229 Brian Davis Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:00:24 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=239#comment-1229 The Evangelical Forum audio of Tom Nettles and Mark Dever is available at <a href="http://www.jpbc.org/ef.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpbc.org/ef.html</a> The Evangelical Forum audio of Tom Nettles and Mark Dever is available at http://www.jpbc.org/ef.html

]]> By: Joe Thorn http://www.joethorn.net/2005/11/02/value-of-theology/#comment-1228 Joe Thorn Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:51:20 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=239#comment-1228 Jim, I agree with what you are saying - for the most part. I do not think discussing/debating theology proper, soteriology, etc. is a waste of time. I think it is necessary. But as you said, we desperately need to discuss missiology/ecclesiology. Using our confession as a point of general agreement and begin working through what it looks like to be the people of God in the 21st century. It is easy for us Calvinists to camp out on five important facts and never move into other truths that will also define who we are. Jim,

I agree with what you are saying – for the most part. I do not think discussing/debating theology proper, soteriology, etc. is a waste of time. I think it is necessary. But as you said, we desperately need to discuss missiology/ecclesiology. Using our confession as a point of general agreement and begin working through what it looks like to be the people of God in the 21st century. It is easy for us Calvinists to camp out on five important facts and never move into other truths that will also define who we are.

]]> By: jim millirons http://www.joethorn.net/2005/11/02/value-of-theology/#comment-1227 jim millirons Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:34:00 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=239#comment-1227 I have been encouraging a summit of leaders not to debate theology, but missiology. The time has come for a missional resurgence to follow our theological resurgence. Lets just agree on the Bible as we understand it in our confession (BFM) and move forward in our discussion on how to do mission in the 21st century. We have come out of our theological huddle to find ourselves in a mission field that desperately needs Jesus. Lets' ask Mohler and others to speak and write on the issue of contextalizing the faith and ask Rick Warren and others to speak and write on contending for the faith. Since they publically champion the other side of things, I think this appraoch has merit. The SBC Exec Committee, Lifeway, and IMB/NAMB should sponsor at one of our conference centers and then publish the book. When one speaks as plenary, there is also a spoken and published response. The time has come for us to stop arguing over models and methods which are not generational issues but missional issues, but this forum could help us get there. We would have our best missiologists and theologians at the table as well as practitioners ( I know they aren't mutually exclusive, but you know what I mean!) Lots of topics would be of great interest as we think missionally about this stuff as a denomination. After all, its time to debate how we are going to get the job done if we discuss at all. Much of the rest will be a waste of time. The missional church must not rest until Jesus embeds, impacts, transforms every culture and community!! I have been encouraging a summit of leaders not to debate theology, but missiology. The time has come for a missional resurgence to follow our theological resurgence. Lets just agree on the Bible as we understand it in our confession (BFM) and move forward in our discussion on how to do mission in the 21st century. We have come out of our theological huddle to find ourselves in a mission field that desperately needs Jesus. Lets’ ask Mohler and others to speak and write on the issue of contextalizing the faith and ask Rick Warren and others to speak and write on contending for the faith. Since they publically champion the other side of things, I think this appraoch has merit. The SBC Exec Committee, Lifeway, and IMB/NAMB should sponsor at one of our conference centers and then publish the book. When one speaks as plenary, there is also a spoken and published response. The time has come for us to stop arguing over models and methods which are not generational issues but missional issues, but this forum could help us get there. We would have our best missiologists and theologians at the table as well as practitioners ( I know they aren’t mutually exclusive, but you know what I mean!) Lots of topics would be of great interest as we think missionally about this stuff as a denomination. After all, its time to debate how we are going to get the job done if we discuss at all. Much of the rest will be a waste of time. The missional church must not rest until Jesus embeds, impacts, transforms every culture and community!!

]]> By: jim millirons http://www.joethorn.net/2005/11/02/value-of-theology/#comment-1226 jim millirons Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:32:23 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=239#comment-1226 I have been encouraging a summit of leaders not to debate theology, but missiology. The time has come for a missional resurgence to follow our theological resurgence. Lets just agree on the Bible as we understand it in our confession (BFM) and move forward in our discussion on how to do mission in the 21st century. We have come out of our theological huddle to find ourselves in a mission field that desperately needs Jesus. Lets' ask Mohler and others to speak and write on the issue of contextalizing the faith and ask Rick Warren and others to speak and write on contending for the faith. Since they publically champion the other side of things, I think this appraoch has merit. The SBC Exec Committee, Lifeway, and IMB/NAMB should sponsor at one of our conference centers and then publish the book. When one speaks as plenary, there is also a spoken and published response. This could move use together with our "One Sacred Effort" or "resurgent" call, and we can put that on a t-shirt!! The time has come for us to stop arguing over models and methods which are not generational issues but missional issues. We would have our best missiologists and theologians at the table as well as practitioners ( I know they aren't mutually exclusive, but you know what I mean!) Lots of topics would be of great interest as we think missionally about this stuff as a denomination. After all, its time to debate how we are going to get the job done if we discuss at all. Much of the rest will be a waste of time. The missional church must not rest until Jesus embeds, impacts, transforms every culture and community!! I have been encouraging a summit of leaders not to debate theology, but missiology. The time has come for a missional resurgence to follow our theological resurgence. Lets just agree on the Bible as we understand it in our confession (BFM) and move forward in our discussion on how to do mission in the 21st century. We have come out of our theological huddle to find ourselves in a mission field that desperately needs Jesus. Lets’ ask Mohler and others to speak and write on the issue of contextalizing the faith and ask Rick Warren and others to speak and write on contending for the faith. Since they publically champion the other side of things, I think this appraoch has merit. The SBC Exec Committee, Lifeway, and IMB/NAMB should sponsor at one of our conference centers and then publish the book. When one speaks as plenary, there is also a spoken and published response. This could move use together with our “One Sacred Effort” or “resurgent” call, and we can put that on a t-shirt!! The time has come for us to stop arguing over models and methods which are not generational issues but missional issues. We would have our best missiologists and theologians at the table as well as practitioners ( I know they aren’t mutually exclusive, but you know what I mean!) Lots of topics would be of great interest as we think missionally about this stuff as a denomination. After all, its time to debate how we are going to get the job done if we discuss at all. Much of the rest will be a waste of time. The missional church must not rest until Jesus embeds, impacts, transforms every culture and community!!

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