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		<title>By: Joe Thorn</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/01/20/mohler-at-the-movies/#comment-1439</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mohler&#039;s beef is that this guy&#039;s activism is front and center at the moment, and that can get in the way of a viewer&#039;s experience. Obviously it cannot get in the way of his acting itself. So Mohler thinks the man&#039;s activism will hinder his portrayal of the character in the mind of movie-goers. I can only partially agree. It will bother/hinder some people, but not all. I couldn&#039;t watch Sean Penn for a few years because of what he would say/do off screen, but now I only see the characters he plays when on screen. He&#039;s brilliant.

I also don&#039;t think he&#039;s speaking authoritatively about acting or casting, but offering his opinion. In fact, I recall him saying things like, &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot; and &quot;I think&quot; a few times when commenting on the &quot;mistake&quot; made in choosing Allen.

In the end, I agree with many of Mohler&#039;s principles when considering film, but often wind up coming to a different conclusion in the end (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joethorn.net/?p=25&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MDB&lt;/a&gt; for example).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mohler&#8217;s beef is that this guy&#8217;s activism is front and center at the moment, and that can get in the way of a viewer&#8217;s experience. Obviously it cannot get in the way of his acting itself. So Mohler thinks the man&#8217;s activism will hinder his portrayal of the character in the mind of movie-goers. I can only partially agree. It will bother/hinder some people, but not all. I couldn&#8217;t watch Sean Penn for a few years because of what he would say/do off screen, but now I only see the characters he plays when on screen. He&#8217;s brilliant.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s speaking authoritatively about acting or casting, but offering his opinion. In fact, I recall him saying things like, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221; and &#8220;I think&#8221; a few times when commenting on the &#8220;mistake&#8221; made in choosing Allen.</p>
<p>In the end, I agree with many of Mohler&#8217;s principles when considering film, but often wind up coming to a different conclusion in the end (<a href="http://www.joethorn.net/?p=25" rel="nofollow">MDB</a> for example).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/01/20/mohler-at-the-movies/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After partially reading the LKL transcript and then Mohler&#039;s blog sited above I found it rather odd that he claims on the one hand that the job of the actor (and those casting the actor) is to make the audience only see the character they portray.  But Allen is the least likely, according to Mohler, to do that for us b/c he is gay?  (I understand he is saying this b/c of Allen&#039;s &quot;well known&quot; gay activism.)

Mohler, however, goes on to list several key actors in some tremendous movies who were/are also gay activists.  Yet this does not seem to get in the way of finding their character believable?

Am I off on this assessment?  And if not, is this just smoke screen on Mohler&#039;s part?

In the King transcript he says he&#039;s not a movie critic and isn&#039;t able to comment about the cinematography and yet here (in his blog) he is able to speak authoritatively about casting the craft of acting?

I hope this doesn&#039;t come across poorly, I am just very confused by Mohler&#039;s statements.  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After partially reading the LKL transcript and then Mohler&#8217;s blog sited above I found it rather odd that he claims on the one hand that the job of the actor (and those casting the actor) is to make the audience only see the character they portray.  But Allen is the least likely, according to Mohler, to do that for us b/c he is gay?  (I understand he is saying this b/c of Allen&#8217;s &#8220;well known&#8221; gay activism.)</p>
<p>Mohler, however, goes on to list several key actors in some tremendous movies who were/are also gay activists.  Yet this does not seem to get in the way of finding their character believable?</p>
<p>Am I off on this assessment?  And if not, is this just smoke screen on Mohler&#8217;s part?</p>
<p>In the King transcript he says he&#8217;s not a movie critic and isn&#8217;t able to comment about the cinematography and yet here (in his blog) he is able to speak authoritatively about casting the craft of acting?</p>
<p>I hope this doesn&#8217;t come across poorly, I am just very confused by Mohler&#8217;s statements.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Thorn</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/01/20/mohler-at-the-movies/#comment-1437</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

I really mean what I wrote about Mohler, though I am sure there are many who doubt it, say I am kissing up, or am just trying to ease the sting of my disagreement. But the truth is, I really look up to him. But he is a human who makes mistakes just like me (though probably less often than me). I have friends (church members) that are engaging the same issues he brings up, so I feel the need to address them and point out where we disagree.

The story of the martyrs is something to learn from, and I think you are right in that one of the things we will learn is that sacrifice and service will look different for everyone depending on culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>I really mean what I wrote about Mohler, though I am sure there are many who doubt it, say I am kissing up, or am just trying to ease the sting of my disagreement. But the truth is, I really look up to him. But he is a human who makes mistakes just like me (though probably less often than me). I have friends (church members) that are engaging the same issues he brings up, so I feel the need to address them and point out where we disagree.</p>
<p>The story of the martyrs is something to learn from, and I think you are right in that one of the things we will learn is that sacrifice and service will look different for everyone depending on culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/01/20/mohler-at-the-movies/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On matters unrelated to gay activism:

Joe, I find your comments about your esteem for Mohler in the midst of disagreement admirable.  I find myself too often dismissing people in this regard.  I think, in that, you present a very pressing challenge to how I live my life now.

Movie matters:

I have not seen the movie yet, but from the extended trailers it actually looks like there might be a story and that it was well filmed (this is no small thing).  In my estimation this is a huge step for Christians making film (notice I did not say &quot;Christian&quot; film).  (Also, I am making an assumption about the film makers based upon what I have heard, I don&#039;t know first hand that they are believers so forgive and correct me if I am wrong.)

Another note:

As I have thought about the movie it has caused me to think about Elliot and the other missionaries.  I wonder if their story is exactly what it means (and looks like) for us to improvise the scriptures in our own context, living them out in ways that are real and significant.  Not just mimicking or &quot;re-doing&quot; them, but truly making the story come alive today.  Just a wondering.

thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On matters unrelated to gay activism:</p>
<p>Joe, I find your comments about your esteem for Mohler in the midst of disagreement admirable.  I find myself too often dismissing people in this regard.  I think, in that, you present a very pressing challenge to how I live my life now.</p>
<p>Movie matters:</p>
<p>I have not seen the movie yet, but from the extended trailers it actually looks like there might be a story and that it was well filmed (this is no small thing).  In my estimation this is a huge step for Christians making film (notice I did not say &#8220;Christian&#8221; film).  (Also, I am making an assumption about the film makers based upon what I have heard, I don&#8217;t know first hand that they are believers so forgive and correct me if I am wrong.)</p>
<p>Another note:</p>
<p>As I have thought about the movie it has caused me to think about Elliot and the other missionaries.  I wonder if their story is exactly what it means (and looks like) for us to improvise the scriptures in our own context, living them out in ways that are real and significant.  Not just mimicking or &#8220;re-doing&#8221; them, but truly making the story come alive today.  Just a wondering.</p>
<p>thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/01/20/mohler-at-the-movies/#comment-1435</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Steve. Though, as I said, I really think that the End of the Spear is a movie for Christians to see. It’s a real challenge to give up our lives for the gospel of Christ.

If you don&#039;t see it the theatres, maybe buy it on video when it comes out. But, as you said, it doesn&#039;t matter. It&#039;s not going to kill you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Steve. Though, as I said, I really think that the End of the Spear is a movie for Christians to see. It’s a real challenge to give up our lives for the gospel of Christ.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t see it the theatres, maybe buy it on video when it comes out. But, as you said, it doesn&#8217;t matter. It&#8217;s not going to kill you.</p>
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