Comments on: Abstinence, Moderation and Tolerance http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/ Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:29:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: David Brandt http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4251 David Brandt Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:32:55 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4251 Im going to drink wine with Jesus! Im going to drink wine with Jesus!

]]> By: ConcernedSBCer http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4250 ConcernedSBCer Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:32:06 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4250 Thanks guys. I'll try to post a few comments over there today. Thanks guys. I’ll try to post a few comments over there today.

]]> By: Josh Kidwell http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4248 Josh Kidwell Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:26:24 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4248 If you all haven't been over to the ConcernedSBCer blog and are concerned at all about this issue make a point to do it today. Teetotaler or not its a great treatment of all aspects of the argument though it fairly well wipes out the arguments put forth in Dr. Patterson's article. Much Grace... Josh If you all haven’t been over to the ConcernedSBCer blog and are concerned at all about this issue make a point to do it today. Teetotaler or not its a great treatment of all aspects of the argument though it fairly well wipes out the arguments put forth in Dr. Patterson’s article.

Much Grace…
Josh

]]> By: johnMark http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4234 johnMark Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:17:27 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4234 ConcernedSBCer, I think you did a wonderful job on your blog. I hope you don't mind that I linked all six parts of your post on my blog. I did it before I came here and saw your comment. Thanks, Mark ConcernedSBCer, I think you did a wonderful job on your blog. I hope you don’t mind that I linked all six parts of your post on my blog. I did it before I came here and saw your comment.

Thanks,
Mark

]]> By: ConcernedSBCer http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4222 ConcernedSBCer Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:58:30 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/07/06/abstinence-moderation-and-tolerance/#comment-4222 OK folks, If you want to see my material on the Patterson article, here it is: http://concernedsbcer.blogspot.com/ Tim, You keep on referring to 38 occurrences of 'tirosh' (new wine) in the MT, translated by "oinos" in the LXX 32 out of those 38 times. Sure. But, as I said, "in the LXX 'oinos' is predominantly used to translate the Hebrew 'yayin' (that is, wine)." Indeed, "oinos" translates "yayin" _hundreds of times_, as opposed to translating "tirosh" a mere 32 times. Its overwhemingly predominant use in the LXX is to translate "yayin," not "tirosh". That is its _dominant_ use. This cannot be ignored. However, for the reasons I gave above, this issue is irrelevant anyway. My claim about parallelism was not between v. 29 and v. 31. It was between v. 30 ("linger long") and v. 31 ("do not look on the wine"). It's not a stretch, really. They're consecutive verses. In addition, all the contextual clues Steve McCoy and myself have raised show the focus is on abuse, not use. Again, do you really think it's a sin to _look_ at a glass of wine? Really? OK folks,

If you want to see my material on the Patterson article, here it is:

http://concernedsbcer.blogspot.com/

Tim,

You keep on referring to 38 occurrences of ‘tirosh’ (new wine) in the MT, translated by “oinos” in the LXX 32 out of those 38 times. Sure. But, as I said, “in the LXX ‘oinos’ is predominantly used to translate the Hebrew ‘yayin’ (that is, wine).” Indeed, “oinos” translates “yayin” _hundreds of times_, as opposed to translating “tirosh” a mere 32 times. Its overwhemingly predominant use in the LXX is to translate “yayin,” not “tirosh”. That is its _dominant_ use. This cannot be ignored. However, for the reasons I gave above, this issue is irrelevant anyway.

My claim about parallelism was not between v. 29 and v. 31. It was between v. 30 (”linger long”) and v. 31 (”do not look on the wine”). It’s not a stretch, really. They’re consecutive verses. In addition, all the contextual clues Steve McCoy and myself have raised show the focus is on abuse, not use. Again, do you really think it’s a sin to _look_ at a glass of wine? Really?

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