Comments on: Thoughts on Sufficiency http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/ theology. church. culture. life. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joe Thorn http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2553 Joe Thorn Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:20:05 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2553 Matt, I am not sure where you are going - but you seem to misunderstand what went down at Hippo (they listed the 27 books we have in our NT - no more), the history of canonization and how the SBC works. Since my post assumes these things I really don't have time to follow this particular trail. I appreciate the desire to engage though. So, let's move along. Thanks. Matt, I am not sure where you are going – but you seem to misunderstand what went down at Hippo (they listed the 27 books we have in our NT – no more), the history of canonization and how the SBC works. Since my post assumes these things I really don’t have time to follow this particular trail. I appreciate the desire to engage though. So, let’s move along. Thanks.

]]> By: Matt http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2552 Matt Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:11:07 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2552 Hey Joe, The "church" recognizes the official canon eh? Sounds strange to me :) . Did the SBC formally adopt a resolution stating that it believes that those books listed at the Council of Hippo were in fact the correct canon? If so, on what basis did it make this decision? Would this decision by SBC "hierarchy" be binding upon you as local pastor? You wrote: For example, by the second century the church fathers were using/quoting all of our 27 NT texts as Scripture. The Council of Hippo formally expressed this recognition in 393 They were also quoting lots of other texts that were not finally deemed scripture as well. Furthermore, and more importantly, if the Council of Hippo was correct, then why don't you accept the canon that THEY listed? Why do you now reject books that they said were "in"? Ciao, Matt Hey Joe,

The “church” recognizes the official canon eh? Sounds strange to me :) . Did the SBC formally adopt a resolution stating that it believes that those books listed at the Council of Hippo were in fact the correct canon? If so, on what basis did it make this decision? Would this decision by SBC “hierarchy” be binding upon you as local pastor?

You wrote:
For example, by the second century the church fathers were using/quoting all of our 27 NT texts as Scripture. The Council of Hippo formally expressed this recognition in 393

They were also quoting lots of other texts that were not finally deemed scripture as well.

Furthermore, and more importantly, if the Council of Hippo was correct, then why don’t you accept the canon that THEY listed? Why do you now reject books that they said were “in”?

Ciao,

Matt

]]> By: Dan Weber http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2551 Dan Weber Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:36:06 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2551 I love the post. Nice Luther quote. You have a gift. Total stud!! I love the post. Nice Luther quote. You have a gift. Total stud!!

]]> By: Kipp Wilson http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2550 Kipp Wilson Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:16:24 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2550 I think you said it all, Joe. When God speaks, He speaks with absolute authority. When He is silent, His silence carries absolute authority. When He is vague, when He is precise, it is all with authority (and trustworthiness). I'm not saying that there is no place for "speculative theology," just that it must never be elevated to the place of Scripture (nor even to the place where it distracts us from Scripture). My students have a hard time getting this, because they have always been taught (implicitly) that the Bible has the answer to every question. I think you said it all, Joe. When God speaks, He speaks with absolute authority. When He is silent, His silence carries absolute authority. When He is vague, when He is precise, it is all with authority (and trustworthiness). I’m not saying that there is no place for “speculative theology,” just that it must never be elevated to the place of Scripture (nor even to the place where it distracts us from Scripture). My students have a hard time getting this, because they have always been taught (implicitly) that the Bible has the answer to every question.

]]> By: Joe Thorn http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2549 Joe Thorn Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:04:01 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2006/08/28/thoughts-on-sufficiency/#comment-2549 Matt, I know nothing about Russ Moore outside of what he has written. If your question is about anything he has written, ask away. If not, it is not appropriate here. Thanks. Concerning the Bible... yeah - God put a list right in the front of the Bible. He also went through the trouble of highlighting Jesus' words in red. :) Ok, The question is a larger discussion and tangentially related to the topic so I will answer is brief and point you elsewhere to get a better feel for the details of my thoughts. 1. God determines what is Scripture, the church recognizes it. 2. The church recognized what was Scripture early on. For example, by the second century the church fathers were using/quoting all of our 27 NT texts as Scripture. The Council of Hippo formally expressed this recognition in 393. For more reading on this check out the following links: <a href="http://www.bible-researcher.com/bruce1.html" rel="nofollow">The Canon of the NT by FF Bruce.</a> <a href="http://www.reformed.org/bible/warfield_canon.html" rel="nofollow">The Formation of the NT Canon by BB Warfield</a> <a href="http://www.biblebb.com/files/howbible.htm" rel="nofollow">How We Got Our Bible by Mike Vlach</a> Matt, I know nothing about Russ Moore outside of what he has written. If your question is about anything he has written, ask away. If not, it is not appropriate here. Thanks.

Concerning the Bible… yeah – God put a list right in the front of the Bible. He also went through the trouble of highlighting Jesus’ words in red. :)

Ok, The question is a larger discussion and tangentially related to the topic so I will answer is brief and point you elsewhere to get a better feel for the details of my thoughts.

1. God determines what is Scripture, the church recognizes it.

2. The church recognized what was Scripture early on.

For example, by the second century the church fathers were using/quoting all of our 27 NT texts as Scripture. The Council of Hippo formally expressed this recognition in 393.

For more reading on this check out the following links:
The Canon of the NT by FF Bruce.
The Formation of the NT Canon by BB Warfield
How We Got Our Bible by Mike Vlach

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