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	<title>Comments on: Attractive Preaching</title>
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		<title>By: Aaron K.</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/10/24/attractive-preaching/#comment-2733</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any good books on how the Puritans preached? For example, structure and how they made their sermons plain.

How exactly is a sermon plain? Is it the language you use or the illustrations that make the points clear? Or is it the overall presentation that brings the biblical and theological message into the everyday world of the listener?

Just trying to learn more. (If the answers are in the sermon just say so. I haven&#039;t read the entire sermon yet.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any good books on how the Puritans preached? For example, structure and how they made their sermons plain.</p>
<p>How exactly is a sermon plain? Is it the language you use or the illustrations that make the points clear? Or is it the overall presentation that brings the biblical and theological message into the everyday world of the listener?</p>
<p>Just trying to learn more. (If the answers are in the sermon just say so. I haven&#8217;t read the entire sermon yet.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gunny Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/10/24/attractive-preaching/#comment-2732</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunny Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But is there a line and who draws it?&quot;

Great question, Scott.

I guess it&#039;s the audience who draws that line, but it&#039;s so subjective.  I was heavily criticized at a former church for using movies for illustrative material, but others loved it.

It&#039;s one of those &quot;in the eye of the beholder&quot; type deals that can be really frustrating with a varied audience.

Personally, I&#039;d shy away from some language in the pulpit that I might feel okay with just hanging out with the lads, just because of my audience&#039;s sensitivity.

Folks like you mention are even more under the microscope because of their popularity and range of audience.

Good question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But is there a line and who draws it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Great question, Scott.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s the audience who draws that line, but it&#8217;s so subjective.  I was heavily criticized at a former church for using movies for illustrative material, but others loved it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of those &#8220;in the eye of the beholder&#8221; type deals that can be really frustrating with a varied audience.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d shy away from some language in the pulpit that I might feel okay with just hanging out with the lads, just because of my audience&#8217;s sensitivity.</p>
<p>Folks like you mention are even more under the microscope because of their popularity and range of audience.</p>
<p>Good question.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Eaton</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/10/24/attractive-preaching/#comment-2731</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Eaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can this go to far?  For example, is it acceptable for a guy like Matt Chandler to use the word &quot;freakin&quot; or something like it in a sermon?  Is it OK for Scotty West to use &quot;sucks&quot; in a sermon?  Mark Driscoll has also been criticized on the same front.

In seminary I was told that we must avoid being crude.  I have personally been criticized in my own church for being too &quot;common&quot; in my speech.  However, no one accuses me of not communicating the message!

I agree with Spurgeon and find his comments very encouraging (maybe I&#039;m just using him to justify myself).  But is there a line and who draws it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can this go to far?  For example, is it acceptable for a guy like Matt Chandler to use the word &#8220;freakin&#8221; or something like it in a sermon?  Is it OK for Scotty West to use &#8220;sucks&#8221; in a sermon?  Mark Driscoll has also been criticized on the same front.</p>
<p>In seminary I was told that we must avoid being crude.  I have personally been criticized in my own church for being too &#8220;common&#8221; in my speech.  However, no one accuses me of not communicating the message!</p>
<p>I agree with Spurgeon and find his comments very encouraging (maybe I&#8217;m just using him to justify myself).  But is there a line and who draws it?</p>
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		<title>By: Gunny Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/10/24/attractive-preaching/#comment-2730</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunny Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about the Puritans and &quot;plain style&quot; as well as Luther.

Perhaps you and I have some of the same friends.

; )

The archaic language often gives cause for a smile akin to those who like the KJV because it&#039;s harder to understand.  If it&#039;s easy to get, then it&#039;s not very spiritual.  Of course, the KJV was an English Bible and one designed for the common man to be able to read (as most were not as well versed with Latin for the Vulgate usage).  Akin to that is the Koine Greek of the NT.

Clarity in communication is key, as we see with Joe Thorn.

I&#039;m Gunny Hartman and I approve this blog post.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about the Puritans and &#8220;plain style&#8221; as well as Luther.</p>
<p>Perhaps you and I have some of the same friends.</p>
<p>; )</p>
<p>The archaic language often gives cause for a smile akin to those who like the KJV because it&#8217;s harder to understand.  If it&#8217;s easy to get, then it&#8217;s not very spiritual.  Of course, the KJV was an English Bible and one designed for the common man to be able to read (as most were not as well versed with Latin for the Vulgate usage).  Akin to that is the Koine Greek of the NT.</p>
<p>Clarity in communication is key, as we see with Joe Thorn.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m Gunny Hartman and I approve this blog post.</p>
<p>(Political Ad paid for by the Friends of All Things Holy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Thorn</title>
		<link>http://www.joethorn.net/2006/10/24/attractive-preaching/#comment-2729</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luther/the Reformers, and then the Puritans were the real pioneers, always making the argument that one must preach &quot;plainly&quot; (simply) to the hearers. Spurgeon makes note of this in the sermon. I have had fun pointing out to some of my Reformed friends who not only love the Puritans, but love to speak and teach as if they were living in the seventeenth century with them, that the Puritans would have mocked my friends&#039; archaic language where unnecessary.

Good point on Edwards example as an excuse, and I agree with your assessment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luther/the Reformers, and then the Puritans were the real pioneers, always making the argument that one must preach &#8220;plainly&#8221; (simply) to the hearers. Spurgeon makes note of this in the sermon. I have had fun pointing out to some of my Reformed friends who not only love the Puritans, but love to speak and teach as if they were living in the seventeenth century with them, that the Puritans would have mocked my friends&#8217; archaic language where unnecessary.</p>
<p>Good point on Edwards example as an excuse, and I agree with your assessment.</p>
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