Comments on: Conventional Hope http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/ theology. church. culture. life. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: johnMark http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-3000 johnMark Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:02:53 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-3000 Joe, As a layman who was once on a church staff as minister of students, I have an idea. I've been trying to think how this would work. I think that the laity may know more or at least different information about the congregates in some cases than the leadership. Right now we are going through several parts of the BFM2K in SS. This weekend I an teaching section XVII. Religious Liberty. In the last class I taught I touched on some of the current SBC issues and I will do so again. What I have discovered even more so than I suspected is just how theologically ignorant many people are. I don't say that to demean anyone, but as an honest observation. So you imagine the big eyes when I mentioned missionaries, PPL and Jerry Rankin's position and his being disqualified. My point, the laity who give to the CP don't know what's going on out here. They need to be informed. They should be informed. And if they become informed and things go further towards the way Moran wants then so be it. At least the SBC would have been moved by the people themselves. Make sense? Mark Joe,

As a layman who was once on a church staff as minister of students, I have an idea. I’ve been trying to think how this would work. I think that the laity may know more or at least different information about the congregates in some cases than the leadership.

Right now we are going through several parts of the BFM2K in SS. This weekend I an teaching section XVII. Religious Liberty. In the last class I taught I touched on some of the current SBC issues and I will do so again. What I have discovered even more so than I suspected is just how theologically ignorant many people are. I don’t say that to demean anyone, but as an honest observation. So you imagine the big eyes when I mentioned missionaries, PPL and Jerry Rankin’s position and his being disqualified.

My point, the laity who give to the CP don’t know what’s going on out here. They need to be informed. They should be informed. And if they become informed and things go further towards the way Moran wants then so be it. At least the SBC would have been moved by the people themselves.

Make sense?
Mark

]]> By: Jeremy Carr http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-2999 Jeremy Carr Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:34:51 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-2999 I grew up in an SBC church, graduated an SBC seminary in 2005, and set out to plant a church. The SBC has had no involvement in this process. Change has "been in the wind" for a while, meanwhile the lack of "cooperation" between churches has been our greatest hurdle. So we started the church on our own and have since gotten connected to another network that is surpassing any expectation of cooperation. So I ask myself, "What practical reason do I have to associate my church with the SBC? How would this benefit my congregation?" At what point do I cease hanging on for dear life, abandon ship, and start over? I grew up in an SBC church, graduated an SBC seminary in 2005, and set out to plant a church. The SBC has had no involvement in this process. Change has “been in the wind” for a while, meanwhile the lack of “cooperation” between churches has been our greatest hurdle. So we started the church on our own and have since gotten connected to another network that is surpassing any expectation of cooperation.

So I ask myself, “What practical reason do I have to associate my church with the SBC? How would this benefit my congregation?” At what point do I cease hanging on for dear life, abandon ship, and start over?

]]> By: Joe Thorn http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-2998 Joe Thorn Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:46:13 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-2998 Thanks Ray. Your words of encouragement were invaluable at the Baptist ID Conference. Thanks Ray. Your words of encouragement were invaluable at the Baptist ID Conference.

]]> By: Ray Van Neste http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-2997 Ray Van Neste Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:10:15 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-2997 Good words Joe. Of course we all know that things could fall apart, that things may not go well. I though agree with you in seeing real hopefulness for the future in the SBC. Good words Joe. Of course we all know that things could fall apart, that things may not go well. I though agree with you in seeing real hopefulness for the future in the SBC.

]]> By: Joe Thorn http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-2996 Joe Thorn Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:43:45 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/2007/02/22/conventional-hope/#comment-2996 Obvisouly things may not change. That's kind of the point here; that I believe change can come, not that it will. That it needs to come, and am hopeful for it. I would also say that many of the seasoned leaders in our convention are hopeful for change as well. I find many "older" leaders share my concerns and hopes. Obvisouly things may not change. That’s kind of the point here; that I believe change can come, not that it will. That it needs to come, and am hopeful for it.

I would also say that many of the seasoned leaders in our convention are hopeful for change as well. I find many “older” leaders share my concerns and hopes.

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