Comments on: Driscoll on Harsh Language http://www.joethorn.net/2008/08/15/driscoll-on-harsh-language/ theology. church. culture. life. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: chris http://www.joethorn.net/2008/08/15/driscoll-on-harsh-language/#comment-4494 chris Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:29:46 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=958#comment-4494 “And [Nehemiah] beat some of them! Now, he’s an older guy, and he’s beating up certain members of his church. What do we do with that? I’ll tell you what I’d like to do with that. I’d like to follow in his example. There’s a few guys right now, that if I wasn’t going to end up on CNN, I would go old testament on them, even in leadership in this church.” – Mark Driscoll Nehemiah was a statesman. Mark Driscoll is a priest/pastor. The state has power over men's bodies when they transgress. The church does not. But these little subtle details are lost on men like Mark Driscoll. Yes, it may have been a fit of anger he experienced, but philosophically he is misleading and mixes up the spheres of sovereignty. If I was unclear as to my meaning, I hope this clarifies things. Besides, he needs to keep his personal frustrations out of the pulpit. “And [Nehemiah] beat some of them! Now, he’s an older guy, and he’s beating up certain members of his church. What do we do with that? I’ll tell you what I’d like to do with that. I’d like to follow in his example. There’s a few guys right now, that if I wasn’t going to end up on CNN, I would go old testament on them, even in leadership in this church.”
– Mark Driscoll

Nehemiah was a statesman. Mark Driscoll is a priest/pastor. The state has power over men’s bodies when they transgress. The church does not. But these little subtle details are lost on men like Mark Driscoll. Yes, it may have been a fit of anger he experienced, but philosophically he is misleading and mixes up the spheres of sovereignty. If I was unclear as to my meaning, I hope this clarifies things. Besides, he needs to keep his personal frustrations out of the pulpit.

]]> By: Joe Thorn http://www.joethorn.net/2008/08/15/driscoll-on-harsh-language/#comment-4493 Joe Thorn Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:57:46 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=958#comment-4493 actually chris, I can think of "great preachers" who were accused of being proud, arrogant, or of preaching in inappropriate ways. Spurgeon is an easy example to site. Check out any bio on the man. In the case of Mark and this video, I agree with his principles regarding language. As for his words regarding the "cowardice" of others I can only assume he knows who he is referring to. That may or may not be true and I wouldn't be able to pass judgment. Though certainly it is true of many. Either way, I think the conference wil be beneficial and I am eager to hear the speakers (come on free MP3s!). actually chris, I can think of “great preachers” who were accused of being proud, arrogant, or of preaching in inappropriate ways. Spurgeon is an easy example to site. Check out any bio on the man. In the case of Mark and this video, I agree with his principles regarding language. As for his words regarding the “cowardice” of others I can only assume he knows who he is referring to. That may or may not be true and I wouldn’t be able to pass judgment. Though certainly it is true of many. Either way, I think the conference wil be beneficial and I am eager to hear the speakers (come on free MP3s!).

]]> By: chris http://www.joethorn.net/2008/08/15/driscoll-on-harsh-language/#comment-4492 chris Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:05:58 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=958#comment-4492 PS- God can speak in that way because He alone has absolute Being. We are all subject to His dominion, but not to a dominion of man. This guy is mislead and misleading. PS- God can speak in that way because He alone has absolute Being. We are all subject to His dominion, but not to a dominion of man. This guy is mislead and misleading.

]]> By: chris http://www.joethorn.net/2008/08/15/driscoll-on-harsh-language/#comment-4491 chris Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:04:28 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=958#comment-4491 Just make a list of great preachers throughout the centuries. Did any one of them have to resort to the kind of thing that this guy is? No. Were they namby-pamby? No. In my mind what is happening is a display of raw authority, not a language issue. It is an authoritarian approach that exceeds the limits of what is given to a minister, or any man over another man. We are all made in the image of God, and are not to have dominion over one another. Just make a list of great preachers throughout the centuries. Did any one of them have to resort to the kind of thing that this guy is? No. Were they namby-pamby? No.

In my mind what is happening is a display of raw authority, not a language issue. It is an authoritarian approach that exceeds the limits of what is given to a minister, or any man over another man. We are all made in the image of God, and are not to have dominion over one another.

]]> By: Passion For Preaching » Blog Archive » Mark Driscoll on Strong Language http://www.joethorn.net/2008/08/15/driscoll-on-harsh-language/#comment-4490 Passion For Preaching » Blog Archive » Mark Driscoll on Strong Language Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:40:23 +0000 http://www.joethorn.net/?p=958#comment-4490 [...] picked this up from Joe Thorn, and I think it is worth your time as a preacher to hear what Mark Driscoll has to say on this [...] [...] picked this up from Joe Thorn, and I think it is worth your time as a preacher to hear what Mark Driscoll has to say on this [...]

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