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Theology and Worship with Mike Cosper

by Joe Thorn on July 19, 2010

Mike Cosper is the Worship and Arts Pastor at Sojourn Community Church in Louisvilly, KY. Sojourn is a beautiful model of gospel-centered community, ministry, mission, and worship, and when I thought of talking with someone about worship and theology I immediately emailed Mike. He was kind enough to share some great thoughts with us.

What place does theology have in corporate worship?

Our worship services are necessarily theological. It’s never a question of whether or not we’ll do theology when we gather – it’s a question of what kind of theology, or of what depth of theology we will do.

The goal of a pastor of worship is to accurately and thoroughly give voice to the theology that shapes the life and practices of the church, and the goal of the gathering is to give language and expression to the core values an theology of the church.

How explicit should our theology be in corporate worship?

Our theology should be very clear. What we do when we gather shapes the ways our people think about life and faith, and we are either equipping them with meat and substance or with platitudes and sentimentalism.

I like how Kevin Twit puts it: “our gatherings should prepare people for their encounter with death.”

How does theology shape what you do at Sojourn gathered?

We have a strong liturgical structure for our gatherings, and that flows from our theology of worship and our ecclesiology (theology of the church).

A biblical theology of worship tells us that Christians have only one call to worship (the call of the Gospel) and only one worship leader, our singing savior, Jesus Christ. Biblical texts like the book of Hebrews and Revelation show us that our Savior is at the center of worship, leading us in praise to the Father, while the Father calls us to praise the Son. The Spirit of God inhabits our hearts, makes the Gospel call effective, and stirs us to respond in worship.

Functionally, our gathering is shaped to remember the Gospel, remember the work of Christ, and celebrate him as the center and leader of our worship. For instance, we regularly try to remind the church that when they worship, they join the Son in glorifying the Father, they join the Father in glorifying the Son, and they join the Spirit in glorifying the Father and the Son. We also remind them that the worship leader on the platform isn’t doing something priestly or sacramental, but is just another member of the body of Christ. Only Jesus can lead us to throne room, only Jesus can make God’s presence powerful and intimate, and only the Holy Spirit can stir hearts. Worship leaders (and congregations, for that matter) merely participate in the glory-sharing work of the Trinity. So we cultivate humility and simplicity in our attitudes towards worship.

Ecclesiology is really important too. In the New Testament, we see the concept of worship as a time and place reality thoroughly deconstructed by Jesus (John 4), Paul (Romans 12), and the author of Hebrews. So one could be left with an understanding of worship that asks, “why gather?” I’ve developed a little memory device that helps teach the way that the Bible explains worship. It’s called “Worship 1,2,3”

Worship has ONE object – the triune God, revealed in the scripture as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Worship has TWO contexts – the broad context of all of life (unceasing, living-sacrifice worship) and the narrow context of the gathered church, who gathers to encourage and build one another up, offering a foretaste of what is to come when Christ returns an heaven and earth are joined together. (Jeremy Begbie calls this an “echo of the future,” which is one of the coolest phrases in all of Christendom.)

Worship has THREE audiences – Our Triune God is both the object of worship and one of its audiences, but the scriptures also tell us to pay attention to two other audiences – the Gathered Church (Colossians 3:16, Hebrews 10:23-24), and the watching world (1 Corinthians 14:22-40).

Can theology in worship be done poorly? How?

One way I think about this question is to refer to the device above. If one confuses the object of worship with the audience of worship, or diminishes one context over another, or one audience over another, it gets confusing, weird, or worse.

For instance, many worship leaders have encountered the eager, young theologian in their church who makes this statement: “Since worship is to God alone, we should only sing songs that speak directly to Him. We should not sing songs that address people, since we aren’t worshipping people.”

It’s a sweet sentiment, but it ignores the reality that our singing is for God and his church, and ignores the evidence from the Psalms that singing to people about God is clearly a welcome practice for God’s people.

Some movements have so emphasized the presence of outsiders that there is no meat, no substance, to build up the body of Christ. Other movements within the church deemphasize the Gathered body of Christ, and deemphasize the worship of the local church as a direct or indirect result. I recently heard Alan Hirsch essentially argue against the church gathering to sing because he believed that the oddity of the church gathering to sing was a hindrance to mission. It will make outsiders feel awkward, as the whole gathering of the church tends to do. I think the Bible, and history for that matter, would argue that singing is a deeply human act. In our disaffected and dehumanized techno-culture, singing is something that rehumanizes us in the church, reconnects us to one another and to history. Hirsch and others need to address the plain reality that the Bible calls us to gather and SING. The lack of a communal singing culture in the West today is a sad fact, but isn’t a reality that the church must embrace for the sake of mission. Go to a U2 or Springsteen concert and tell me people don’t want to gather and sing anymore. Maybe we just aren’t giving them anything worth singing at our gatherings… Which is a whole different issue altogether.

Worship is certainly an all of life reality, but it is also a practice that we embrace as a foretaste of heaven, gathering with Christ’s church out of exile, and joining our voices in hopes of a glorious day that is yet to come.

In a totally different stream of thought, I think many churches lack any real theology for worship. No one (including the leaders) know why the church is gathering or what their goal in gathering is. The service is only governed by a quest for a certain kind of emotional high, or a certain kind of mood. Our ecclesiology becomes a measuring stick by which we know the mission is accomplished in our gathering. Without any biblical, rooted ecclesiology, what is guiding us?

What advice would you give church leaders who recognize the need for theology to impact and characterize their worship gatherings?

One time, after a Sojourn service many years ago, Chip Stam (a prof at Southern Seminary and a brilliant mind on issues related to worship) gave me the most painful critique I’ve ever received. Essentially, he told me that the music was great, and the service was well executed for what it was, but that apart from the sermon, the entire thing could have been held in a Synagogue or a Unitarian church, and no one would have been offended. In a similar vein, I heard C.J. Mahaney say that at Sovereign Grace, they want to make sure no one who attends can ever think that worship is possible without a mediator.

I was crushed by Chip’s critique. Especially when I realized he was right. His comment spurred a journey that has led us to the liturgical model we practice now, where the Gospel is clearly proclaimed throughout the movements of the service. Liturgy isn’t the only way to prevent that from happening, but I would want to challenge worship leaders to ask what their measuring stick is in their planning. What is a well-planned service?

The Gospel needs to be proclaimed and celebrated in a way that prepares people for all of life – suffering, death, joy, births, successes, and failures. Our understanding of the depths of the Gospel will have a direct impact on the way we proclaim it in our gatherings. As John Wesley once said, people won’t leave a service quoting a sermon as often as they’ll leave singing a song. Worship leaders need to be pastors and theologians so that they can skillfully teach through songs and services what the Gospel has to offer us in each facet of life, so that when suffering and hard times come, they have the words in their hearts and minds to cling to the cross.

Be sure to share your thoughts on worship and Mike’s words in the comments. If you are unfamiliar with some of the music released through Sojourn be sure to check out their albums Before the Throne, Advent Songs, and Over the Grave.

Previous Interviews:

Experiential Theology with Tom Nettles
Theology and Preaching with John Koessler

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  • http://transformission brad andrews

    Joe/Mike:

    This is really good stuff. Robust theologically and philosophically. I see Best + Webber (whom I love deeply and have influenced my worship philosophy) laced throughout…

    I’m wondering if it might be possible for Mike to unpack a bit more his connection on how the “Worship 1, 2, 3″ explanation answers the question “why gather? Particularly, if the NT deconstructs the concept of worship as a time and place.

    I have a great deal of respect for Mike and hope to emulate Sojourn’s worship ministry in many ways. This is not meant to be argumentative but rather conversational. Thanks!

    • http://www.joethorn.net Joe Thorn

      Brad, I have my thoughts on the subject, but don’t want to interrupt. If Mike can’t get back to you on this I’ll share my perspective.

  • Rob Plummer

    Great insights, Pastor Mike.

  • http://fm.thevillagechurch.net/worship Michael Bleecker

    Mike,
    I love that you put so much thought into this. Your answers to Joe’s questions have great depth that I love reading from another worship pastor. Every worship pastor/leader needs to read these words and believe what they’re reading.
    bleecker

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  • http://www.sojournmusic.com Mike Cosper

    Hi Brad, thanks for the kind words. I wanted to answer your question above:

    “I’m wondering if it might be possible for Mike to unpack a bit more his connection on how the “Worship 1, 2, 3″ explanation answers the question “why gather? Particularly, if the NT deconstructs the concept of worship as a time and place.”

    Worship in Israel was very much a time-and-place phenomenon. To meet with God, experience his presence and his grace, one had to gather in particular times – feasts, festivals, days of atonement, and particular places – the temple, the synagogue, etc. We can see evidence that it was defined as such in John 4, where the Samaritan woman brings up the debate as to whether proper worship is to occur on their mountain or at the Jewish temple. Jesus gives us the most clear deconstruction of that debate when he says that neither one is important because true worship will be in spirit and truth – a new reality that his presence announced.

    Later, in Paul’s letters and especially in the book of Hebrews, we see the language of temple worship applied to both the work of Christ and the life of the Christian. So we’re invited to be “living sacrifices” (Romans 12:1), to enter into very presence of God through the curtain of Christ’s body (Hebrews 10:19-22), and to be built up as a temple (1 Cor. 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:19-22). That’s a radical shift from the sacramental system that Israel had practiced, and sets up the concept of worship as a living reality, rather than a specific set of practices.

    But we should be careful to notice as well that the church still gathers throughout the New Testament, is still commanded to gather, and has a number of practices that they’re encouraged and at times commanded to continue. So the Word is to be read and sung, we are supposed to practice the Lord’s Supper and Baptism, we’re supposed to collect money for the mission and the needy, and so on. Part of the significance of the shift is that it goes from being geographically centered to being people centered. The practices of the gathered church can be carried out legitimately wherever they gather, and are no longer bound by a time or place since the spirit of God dwells in the hearts of his people.

    Sometimes in the language of all-of-life worship, we can end up dismissive of the reality that these gathered practices are no less acts of worship. Worship in the New Testament is both a scattered reality – in the all-of-life worship of Christians, and a gathered reality – when Christians gather to spur one another on and celebrate the Gospel.

    In the tension between the scattered picture of worship and the gathered picture we see the tension of the already-not-yet. Christ’s sacrifice has made all-of-life worship possible to us right now. We can live as unceasing worshipers and please God! But we do so in a fallen world that still worships idols and is burdened with the decay, suffering, and evil of sin. So we are warned brilliantly by the author of Hebrews:
    24And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. 25Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

    In other words, as we continually worship in the presence of God with all of our lives, we need to regularly pull aside to gather with the Church and spur one another towards Christ. Because the days are evil. Because of the not-yet.

    Harold Best puts it like this: “We do not go to church to worship. But as continuing worshipers, we gather ourselves together to continue our worship but now in the company of brothers and sisters.”
    We gather in exile awaiting the day when Christ returns and the whole earth is reconciled to God. Then, worship will truly be all-of-life!

    So… all that to say that I find the 1, 2, 3 device helpful in guarding us from overemphasizing one aspect of worship over the other. The New Testament deconstructs and redefines worship and in the process redefines the gathering of the people of God, but doesn’t eliminate it. So we need not emphasize one context of worship over the other.

    Perhaps I should have fleshed all that out above. Forgive my wordiness. I hope that’s helpful.

    Grace,
    MC

    • http://www.joethorn.net Joe Thorn

      And all God’s people said, “Boom!”

      Good question, Brad. And a great word, Mike.

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  • http://transformission.com brad andrews

    Thanks Mike. I appreciate the thoughtfulness in your response. Blessings to your ministry @ Sojourn…

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  • http://www.crossbridge.cc Ben Hester

    Mike,

    I love the Harold Best quote on the idea of “continuing worshipers.” I think this is a foreign idea in many churches today. It is always wonderful when our church has prepared themselves during the week to meet corporately and worship the triune God on Sunday. I appreciate your wisdom on this subject!

  • http://www.savedalone.com David Weischedel

    Great article!

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