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Clearing the Smoke

by Joe Thorn on August 18, 2010

Last week I was hanging out at one of our local cigar shops. I’ve been a patron at this particular tobacconist for 10 years. It is the kind of place you want to hang out at with exposed brick, leather chairs, a great selection of cigars and pipe tobacco, and amazing staff. I have found it to be a fantastic place to meet other men, have great conversations, and of course it’s one of those rare places in Chicagoland where you can actually enjoy a cigar or pipe.

I was in there with another member of Redeemer and four other people I had never met. They were twentysomethings who were having a lively conversation filled with hard opinions and passionate convictions. I thought to myself, “This crowd would probably be up for some God-talk.” But I didn’t even have to bring it up. One of them asked if I was a DJ (Don’t ask me why). Of course I replied with surprised sincerity, “I am a DJ!” They said, “No way!” And I said, “No, I’m actually a pastor of a church here in town.”

Then, one of the young men jumped right into theology, asking something like this,

Explain this to me. You have two men. One man is a good man who pays his taxes, is kind to his neighbors, good to his family, works hard, and doesn’t cheat. But he doesn’t believe in Jesus. Another man is a bad man who lies, cheats, steals, and is all around horrible to everyone. But this last guy asks God to forgive him at the end of his life. So, the bad guy goes to heaven for accepting Jesus, and the good guy to hell because he isn’t Christian?

It was a great conversation that allowed me to unpack the gospel by explaining (seriously summarized here) that civil righteousness does not commend us to God, since even if we are better in conduct than another man, we all worship idols, put ourselves before God and others, and are all guilty before God for our sins. All of us are justly condemned for sin and unbelief, but all are offered forgiveness, life and restoration in Jesus. We must believe in him to find it. I explained that a person will go to hell on account of his own sin, or will have peace with God on account of the righteousness of Christ.

Such conversations do not typically set themselves up like that, but I am praying and looking for more opportunities this week.

[This is not a post to debate the issue of tobacco, so please stay on topic in the comments. Thanks.]

  • Bryan Fordham

    You said not to, but I’m going to anyway: Why on earth did he think you were a DJ?

    • http://www.danielabbey.com daniel abbey

      from the few photos i’ve seen i can imagine pastor joe rockin’ a pair of headphones and orchestrating some mean house beats on a mac at some a massive techno rave. although in this alternate reality i’m guessing he’d prefer fronting a good ol’ metal band covering Maiden instead of doing electronica :D

    • http://www.joethorn.net Joe Thorn

      Actually, I think he was assuming I wasn’t, or something. I couldn’t figure it out.

  • http://thegospelforoc.com Chris Poblete

    Wait whaaa? You smoke cigars?! GASP!! (ugh*cough*cough)

    jk me too. In fact, if we visit St. Charles in March, I might have to check this shop out. Sounds classic.

    I hope you find yourself in the middle of another great conversation at said shop this week.

    • http://www.joethorn.net Joe Thorn

      Chris. The shop is Bull and Bear in Saint Charles on the corner of 1st and Illinois. Let me know and maybe we can meet up.

  • Josh

    Thanks for the post. It is fascinating to see that despite the changing of culture human nature, human struggle and human idols stay the same. The scenario that was posed to you is the parable of the Prodigal Son (or better titled the “The Tale of Two Sons”). This mindset was also confronted by Christ with the story of the Pharisee and the tax collector who went up to the Temple to pray.
    Praise the Lord for your opportunity to share the truth of the gospel.

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  • http://calvaryem.org Gabe

    Hey Pastor Joe! As I have browsed your site, I have enjoyed what you have put here. If I was in St. Charles, I would like to meet you and celebrate the gospel with you over an Onyx.

    • http://www.joethorn.net Joe Thorn

      If you’re ever in town let me know.

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